The Millers in Motion Podcast
The Millers in Motion Podcast
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The Millers in Motion Podcast
27 - Navigating RV Life: E-Bikes, Golf Carts, and the Quest for the Perfect Portable Transport
Join Lauren and Ryan from Millers in Motion as they unveil the secrets to mid-range transportation for RV dwellers. From scenic trails to spontaneous dashes, they share personal anecdotes and debate hiking vs. biking. Discover the electrifying world of e-bikes reshaping the RV lifestyle, exploring their practicalities and potential benefits over gas-powered vehicles. Plus, dive into the charm of golf carts as the perfect complement to your RV adventure. Tune in for laughs, stories, and practical tips on enhancing your travel arsenal.
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welcome back to the rv shenanigans podcast, brought to you by liquefied I'm lauren, this is ryan, and together we are millers in motion.
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Speaker 1:A big thanks to Matt over at Liquefied and Matt's RV Reviews Also. They have a lot of fun new products that are coming out, and we're hoping that we're going to get to connect with them soon and talk about some of those other things. Before we do any of that, though, I'm not a fan of walking 15 feet to the mailbox.
Speaker 2:That is the truth, y'all. I would walk a mile just to not have to start the truck and park the truck and repark the truck. This man no, not so much Like I can see the RV park office from here and he will drive down there to pick up Amazon packages.
Speaker 1:Okay, In all fairness, some of those Amazon packages are big like your trailer jack Just saying. Okay, so what we're going to be talking about today is kind of other modes of transportation when you're RVing. Now, quite frankly, this is the easy side. First you have a truck or a tow vehicle.
Speaker 2:Right.
Speaker 1:Or if you have a small enough motorhome or van that. So obviously you know, when we RV and when I say we I mean all of us, not just Lauren and I you know you show up with us. We're really big and like our friends Phil and Stacey, they're reasonably big. But some people roll up in a van, like Karen, nate or Chris and Sarah, and so they are. They could just kind of take that and that's perfectly fine. They fit in normal parking spots Kind of. I mean no worse than I do in my dually right, and so that is always an option. Now, I referred a while back, in fact, on our youtube video we did on our e-bikes, which we'll get to.
Speaker 1:Um, I said we have a mid-range problem and that's true, that's true and a lot of people do have that mid-range problem like we can go long distances and we can go really short distances because we have these things on the bottom of our legs.
Speaker 2:I thought you forgot about those.
Speaker 1:Don't like them. We can do that, but it is an option, and so the mid-range problem would be like if you have to go a quarter mile or a half mile to go pick up a box Right, a half mile to go pick up a box right and you don't want to fire up your truck, or maybe you are in a van or something else that doesn't have the mobility that you wish it had.
Speaker 2:Kind of a situation like some of these rv parks. They're huge nowadays, and so what if you need to run up to the office for something?
Speaker 1:uh, pick up a package, make a purchase of some sort right and then on top of that, or if you just want to go to the pool or any of the other amenities. In addition to that, you also have getting out and exploring in a shorter area, because sometimes you can rv in an area, um, like when we were at camp fimfo, if we were a little closer into green, it'd be really nice to just ride the bikes down into green. Now, that was a little too far.
Speaker 1:I was miles away, which is different but, yeah, but you could, if it was close enough, kind of go explore that little area or like in Lukenbach. If you were going to boondock in Lukenbach you could bust those out and go right around and see it and see more quickly.
Speaker 2:So sometimes it's not even about distance, it's also about quickness Right and some of these paths maybe you can't take a vehicle on in order to get kind of where you want to get, that sort of thing.
Speaker 1:And so, yeah, there are really a variety of reasons where you may need a variety of transportations, and there are a ton of them. And so how we're going to kind of break this down is we're going to go through it more in the terms of, like, what types of transportation you can do and get there and then what you can do and see with that transportation.
Speaker 2:And this is like drumming up other ideas for you guys how to explore different areas you're in so that you don't feel so limited sometimes.
Speaker 1:Well, if you notice, there's always that, whether it's the podcast, the main YouTube videos are always a little more travel centered. Anyway, as far as like, go to a destination, experience, destination, that kind of stuff. The podcast, we dive in a little bit more to RV life and what works and what doesn't work and that kind of stuff and allows us to unpack or undo those layers if you may and that kind of stuff and allows us to unpack or undo those layers if you may, and so you know there'll always be that call back to. The whole point of this is to get out and explore Right or make it easier so that you can go out and explore later or whatever. So let's start off with the most common Just walk. It's the cheapest.
Speaker 2:It's the cheapest. You don't have to have like extra equipment, expensive equipment, that sort of thing, and for most terrains you can get by for a distance with your good old feet.
Speaker 1:Right, and that's obviously going to be subject to whoever you are. And I joke about not wanting to walk. I actually enjoy hiking.
Speaker 2:He actually does. I'm giving him a hard time really.
Speaker 1:I'm harder on myself. No, I don't mind it. It's one of those things that I like walking with a purpose. I don't like walking to go pick up a package. I know that's a purpose, but that's different because you don't really know how heavy the box is going to be. What all the Amazon ferry, santa Amazon, has brought us. And so sometimes it's the back. Is the portion Like we take a walk every night with the dogs. Most nights, weather pending.
Speaker 2:I mean, I think it's close to a mile, but for reference, I'm the person who would run a 5K on vacation for fun.
Speaker 1:And so just understand that.
Speaker 2:That's my perspective.
Speaker 1:I like how you said you would run a 5K. She's done that and surprised me Like we were day three of the ship. She's like oh, by the way, we can do a 5K. In the Bahamas oh by the way, we're doing a 5K not, do you want to? It was more of a surprise we're waking up early on vacation to go run.
Speaker 2:I signed you up for this, don't you want to go, do it. And I said, yes, we've been together for 20 years.
Speaker 1:I said yes twice. So when you get into walking, what does that mean you can go to? Obviously, if you're in a state park or a national park camping we don't fit, you can go hiking, so that's one thing. So obviously, with those types of parks, state parks are going to be a little smaller typically, so that's a little more relevant to walk to a trailhead from your campground, assuming there's not a trailhead in your campground which is there are normally something close by and I think you can get some pretty incredible vistas on hikes and walks like that.
Speaker 1:Yep, and then obviously you have the other side of that, is if you happen to be in a area like right outside that area. We'll use Lukenbach again as an example, because you can boondock there overnight as long as you visit their website and pay the fee. But that's like a just go out of the parking lot and walk around, that kind of a thing. And so it's not too big of an area, or if you happen to be camping in a what do they call them here town centers.
Speaker 1:Ah yeah, or in that kind of a ballpark, and so obviously walking is multifaceted and you can go as far as you feel like you can go.
Speaker 2:Just remember you've you gotta go back and I feel like sometimes you may meet more people if you're out walking than if you're moving faster on.
Speaker 1:You know something I don't know. The next thing we're going to talk about people stopped us a lot all right go for it.
Speaker 1:So if you do want to go a little bit further, or maybe you want to go on a trail that's longer, that you know you can't hike, and they're allowed, obviously you get into bikes and I'm saying this with a double because I'm starting with regular, good old bicycles no motor attached, but obviously there are e-bikes out there. So we're going to start with regulars, right? If you haven't noticed, we're working our way up the ladder here.
Speaker 2:Okay.
Speaker 1:So with a bike, obviously you will be able to go a little further, a little quicker and see more things, but you're still going to have to use your feet and your legs to you know maneuver you are, and so you're still going to get exercise or you have to be able to have some physical activity. So if you can't walk a mile, the biking thing may be a little easier, but again, depending on what that encounter. So, like again, this is going to be one of those where, if you'd walk to go explore something, you just make that bubble a little bigger now by using the bikes but you add a layer of complexity too you have whenever you get somewhere.
Speaker 2:If you, you know, need to leave the bike to go into a building, well you know there's a security issue there and you have to have a place to store it when you're traveling with your rv.
Speaker 1:You do, and a lot of RVs will have hitches on the back, and I say that in terms of most drivables, all do. Now, in towable land they have that. That is actually what it's meant for. They don't put those on there with the intent of what's called tandem towing, which is where you put another like a boat or a small trailer or another vehicle behind your fifth wheel. Most toy haulers that have a back awning or not awning Patio it does have an awning but a back patio or a ramp door don't have those because they don't want you to accidentally. They don't want you to put one on and then be inside and go. I'm putting down my awning today, Clunk, or my patio.
Speaker 1:Still a patio and and be inside and go. I'm putting down my own thing today, clunk, or my patio Still a patio and then you hit your bikes and destroy your door and all of the things. So most toy haulers don't have them we don't have one back there, but our solitude did and so with that opens up, there's a storage solution for you. Obviously, if you have a receiver hitch on your truck too, you could just move it over there. So if you wanted to go somewhere and take the truck, you could do that as well.
Speaker 2:I've seen people put it on the front of their trucks too, like where the front row would go.
Speaker 1:Like toy haulers. That's a pretty. It's not common, but you do see it. I'll be honest, I can't get past the looks of that. It's a little funky. It's like a weird Rudolph situation. To each their own buddy, buddy um, also for me it's a visual thing I just can't see over he'd be distracted looking at those bikes going down the road. I'd be like hey, don't wheel turning why?
Speaker 2:is the wheel turning? Don't forget. We're towing an rv and he's like oh yeah, oops a semi um.
Speaker 1:So yeah, it's bikes are great oh yeah um now, if you level that up one notch, you enter e-bikes now full disclosure.
Speaker 1:We recently got uh e-bikes through electric, so we disclosure we recently got e-bikes through Electric, so we're very appreciative. They did send those to us. We are not being paid to talk about them in any way. Now, if you happen to be in the market for an e-bike and you purchase an e-bike through our link, which will be down in the description also, you can find that under the Our Partners section of our website, along with a whole list of other stuff that we can save you some money on, we do get a little bit of a I call it a kickback. We do make a little bit of a commission on that, and that does go a long way in helping us stay out on the road and stay making the main videos as well as the podcast, because this whole little shit is expensive and if you want to know why we actually chose Electric and developed a relationship with them, I kind of detailed that in the blog, so that's on the website too.
Speaker 2:There were a lot of factors that went into that decision. It wasn't just we wanted an e-bike period. There were measures we wanted to meet and they met them and we really enjoy working with them.
Speaker 1:They did, and so when you start talking about an e-bike versus like a regular bike, let's say obviously that bubble we just talked about it from walking to biking gets bigger. With an e-bike it gets even bigger. For sure. Because now you don't have to exert as much energy.
Speaker 2:But your budget did go up.
Speaker 1:Your budget did go up. I mean, a good bicycle will run you about $400 to $600 and more. I know they go up much higher. I'm talking about the walmart specials that I would actually buy. Um.
Speaker 1:And then your e-bikes, like electric is on the cheaper side, and they start around 7.99 for the xp light, and then they go up from there. And they do go up, don't get me wrong. Right, they do have a ton of bikes, and most of their lineup lands in that 9.99 to 12.99 range. There's a couple on the high side, there'sa couple on the low side of that. So, with that being said, though, that bubble gets bigger, and so, whether you have physical limitations, whether you have, you just want to see more things Like I would feel more comfortable busting our electrics out and running six miles down the road.
Speaker 2:Right.
Speaker 1:Because I know that even if I got tired, I could just go throttle assist again. Not all e-bikes are the same. We're going to talk specifically about electric, because that's what we have and experience with and experience with. Not all e-bikes have a throttle only sometimes they only have pedal assist, and so you have to pedal a little bit to get the motor to kick in ours you can do either. So, um, but yeah, you can. You can do a lot of things on the e-bike, yeah, so you can also do.
Speaker 2:Excuse me, um, you can also add, like storage backs and all those things, like we have those cargo carrying thing, those and that was really important to me to not just be able to take myself, not just be able to take myself somewhere, but be able to take something if I needed to well, or pick something up, right, um, so like we use them a lot to run up and grab amazon packages back to say it to amazon, um, and that's to me it's a versatility thing and even if you're not using whatever mode of transportation we're talking about to get around, um, you also can use it for exploring.
Speaker 1:Or when I say get around like picking stuff up, but like around the campground, you're going to go see your neighbor that's in a bigger campground. That could be a mile away Right. Fort Wilderness is a great example. Now, full disclosure. Apparently the rules just change and you're not allowed to have an e-bike in Fort Wilderness anymore.
Speaker 2:Everybody say boo yeah double boo Disney.
Speaker 1:Now, with that being said, I do think it was a safety concern. I think kids were like doing all kinds of dumb things on them and then people were staying up really late. I know that was one of the complaints about that place was it can get loud in the later evenings with golf carts and all that running around, so they instituted curfews on some kids driving golf carts that are and you're not supposed to if you're not on the insurance to begin with. So you have to be above 16 or 18 depending on the plant. But yeah, it's. The idea is that you can go out and do more and I can tell you like we were at a horse show recently for you and we used our e-bikes and typically in that horse show I would get in my truck and drive down and there's not a lot of parking and so I'd have to park further away and then walk in or you have to park in mud. It's a whole level of complexity to bring the truck in sometimes.
Speaker 2:Right.
Speaker 1:And the e-bikes made that a lot easier. I know you getting up earlier and running down there. It was actually easier just to pop on the bike and scoot down there.
Speaker 2:It was. You could take a more direct route and I could still take all the stuff I wanted. And for reference, in five days at a horse show I put over 20 miles on my e-bike. Think about the number of times I'd have had to start and stop the truck in order to get that same thing. You know we're running from the RV to the barn, to the show arena, all kinds of things, so it was intensely helpful.
Speaker 1:And I will say too, like what we're talking about. Her truck is a regular gas truck On a diesel truck. Starting and stopping it over three days to do 20 miles actually turning it on and off is like six to eight times a day.
Speaker 2:Right.
Speaker 1:That's not the best thing in the world for diesel engines. They like to kind of get going and stay going versus stop start, stop, start, stop start.
Speaker 2:And think about all the trucks that bring in these giant horse trailers. I mean there's a lot of diesels there.
Speaker 1:There are, and so now, with that being said, it was easy for us. I know that half the barn wanted to play with ours. Yeah, because a lot of the barn uses these little mini. I don't even know what those things are called Dirt bikes, I want to say moped Dirt bikes thank you. Problem is with those is they're gas powered, they're loud. They're loud, which means you shouldn't get them too close to the horses. Didn't stop some people.
Speaker 2:You know who I'm talking about.
Speaker 1:There's always that guy and you have to deal with fuel. Now we have a toy hauler space that has a gas powered engine of any kind. Right, because if you've ever had a toy hauler or any trailer and again put something gas powered whether it be a golf cart or a motorcycle or something in there, the likelihood of you keeping a gasoline smell back there is high yep after and this is after you remove the vehicle.
Speaker 2:That's what we're talking about.
Speaker 1:Right, yeah, with it being gone. So there's a lot of people that go to great lengths to avoid that, and you can, but you literally have to have no fuel spillage ever. Everything has to be sealed and done and it's doable, but it's just a whole layer of complexity I don't want.
Speaker 2:Right, exactly.
Speaker 1:And so having something that stays electric would be great. The e-bike kind of serves that purpose. Plus, if your battery was to die, you just pedal.
Speaker 2:That's right Now. Take that with a grain of salt. The ones that we got the XP 3.0, the tires are smaller and they're kind of wider to give it a little bit of off-road capability. And when that battery doesn't function it's kind of difficult to pedal. It is not your regular street bike to pedal. It can be and it does have a shifter on it.
Speaker 1:I believe that's the big difference in the light and the XP is that shifter goes from like a four gear to seven gear.
Speaker 2:I thought it was zero to seven. Oh, is it zero to seven?
Speaker 1:Yeah, there you go, and even I'm learning stuff. I looked at XP light and went I'm not light bypassed right to the xp um, but yeah, and I think for us, I think for us, the other big thing is for the storage of the bikes right and this is where not all e-bikes are kind of the same.
Speaker 1:Ours fold in half, we're able to store them in a bin. Uh, so we have a home depot brand hdx, 38 gallon in case you're curious bin. We fold them in half. They fit right in there, that kind of keeps them upright and compact and not falling over. And we put them in half, they fit right in there, that kind of keeps them upright and compact and not falling over, and we put them in the back of the truck.
Speaker 1:That way I will still throw a strap over them, just so they don't slide around. And then we also store them whenever we're in transit in the toy hauler space.
Speaker 2:That way, Right, but for somebody with a big SUV, think a Tahoe or Suburban something of that sort you could easily put them in the back of there, and so it's very flexible.
Speaker 1:I was going to say we could probably fit four, maybe five bikes in the back of your truck. We could probably definitely fit six in mine if I didn't have here's the kicker our fifth wheel hitch.
Speaker 2:True.
Speaker 1:But because of that I can't fit hardly anything. I can fit a leaf blower, um anyway, so kind of, along with e-bikes.
Speaker 2:I'm going to throw this in here because it's kind of similar, but you're gonna have scooters ah, yes, we did actually debate on the scooters, because we've had some friends that travel with by scooters. Todd, very true over on your scooter and everybody we've met with a scooter loves it, and so we were kind of skewed by that. But you really have to consider weight capacity for those because some of these children's ones you don't realize that are on the cheaper end of things, have this weight capacity of like 120 pounds.
Speaker 1:That's my left leg.
Speaker 2:That is great for some adults, that is not great for all adults, and if you're not paying attention to that, um, you could be in a world of hurt.
Speaker 1:That's the nicest way she could say. Ryan nofitty, I think that you have comrades here.
Speaker 2:Okay, comrades, comrades, not everybody is gonna fit. Thanks, gorbachev. Um, on on the 120 pound weight capacity. I know it's, it's an average anyways, um, so that's one thing you did have to watch out for. Second of all, we weren't sure how they would do with some of the terrain, especially at the horse shows. Can they go up? And?
Speaker 1:down the hills through the mud, that sort of thing, and I think you also get into that like, depending on what you're talking about, just like e-bikes and everything else, there's ranges of these things, right.
Speaker 1:There sure is or regular bikes, like there's cruiser bikes, there's street bikes, there's racing bikes. It's kind of the same way with scooters, like if you go on amazon you get what is it? Go tracks makes a little cheap one. There's no shocks on it whatsoever. The wheels look like really big roller blade wheels, um, and it's fine for running around a campground that's right, it even has a higher weight capacity because it doesn't have to have all those shocks and systems.
Speaker 1:But that's, if you go off road with that, I'm pretty sure I would just sink into the ground immediately, even if it were dry, um and so, and it's probably not going to have the range of the capacity. Then you fast forward to like what todd had which I don't know what brandy had, where it's got shocks and dual motors and yeah more robust braking systems, and now it's meant for that kind of stuff, and so our biggest problem with the scooters versus e-bikes.
Speaker 1:This was the conversation, right, it's not. Should we get a scooter and an e-bike? It was scooter or e-bike.
Speaker 2:Right.
Speaker 1:Because I don't really see the point in having both unless you just have, well, todd Starcraft and all the room in the world to store things. We don't. We don't have the weight capacity to necessarily store a bunch of stuff. We don't use a bunch of stuff we don't use and most rvers don't, right?
Speaker 2:um, I think at the end, of the day, my biggest issue was the cost. It was once you got enough of the upgrades to make it comparable, you, in a lot of cases you had actually exceeded the cost of an e-bike so and that happened with me, and I would say, if you're a bigger guy or gal, um sure it, but that becomes a factor like a scooter that I found, that I liked, and I'm not not going high-end, high-end.
Speaker 1:I'm not going crappy, I'm going that best bang for the buck in the middle of the road kind of a thing that would support me and would also, I feel like, would actually last a decent amount of time, was about $1,700. Right $1,700 to $1,800, give or take, and this was a couple of years ago. A year and a half ago I did this research my electric 3.0 e-bike.
Speaker 1:now I have the long range, so that's a little bit more expensive because, just like anything else, I'm bigger, so the motor is going to work harder, right, if it says it can go 20 miles an hour not with me on it, it can go 20 miles an hour not with me on it and go 20 miles an hour like a lauren on it, and so it's gonna go like 16 with me on it, um, and the battery's gonna work harder, all that stuff. Same thing goes for scooters. So I got the long range battery, okay, and you have the standard battery, correct. But then on top of that we also have we did the comfort seats and did some other things my e-bike runs for around. I want to say it was like 1200 bucks I think you're right.
Speaker 2:Yeah, total like everything. I did on it the way it is was like 1200 bucks yeah, they run specials all the time and I think you're yeah, you're in the ballpark it might be 100 bucks more, might be 100 bucks less, um, depending on that time now.
Speaker 2:With that being said, versus the 17 to 18 hundred dollar scooter, the bike enables you to go farther, because I don't know how long you could stand on one of those scooters right and like like, if you're going to go explore for 10 or 15 miles well, and you have the cargo basket so you can go pick up stuff and still have both your hands free to drive your bike, whereas you can't really do that the same way with a scooter you'd have to hold it somehow and then still steer between your legs um I mean to each their own.
Speaker 1:Again, it's awkward got like a big old amazon box. Um. So the other side of that too is security of it, like with our e-bikes. So with the, with the comfort plus package we got, there's this little um we have locks that are built onto our bike and we just pop them out right, roam around the bike and the pole or whatever we're locking them to, and we lock it. How do you lock a scooter?
Speaker 1:I'm serious with hopes and dreams yeah, I mean, but that's so like, if you are like, let's say, you're at a campground, or like a disney's fort willis where you're gonna ride a scooter or an e-bike up to the front and get on a bus and go to the parks. Like I can lock a bike up at the bike rack right I, how do you?
Speaker 2:I'm sure there's a way to do it.
Speaker 1:I just it doesn't compute in my head. You have two bars and so, like on a bike, you can run it through the frame and the spokes of the wheel and it's locked. There you go, Ta-da.
Speaker 2:Like you said, I'm sure there is a way. We're just not very familiar with it and it was just one of those other complex things that we just didn't want to traverse.
Speaker 1:So kind of moving on. There are plenty of other modes of transportation. There's one big one, especially in Toy Hauler, which we're going to talk about in a second. But you know, we're talking about all these things you can buy, you can do public transit as well.
Speaker 2:Absolutely, and we've done that before.
Speaker 1:And I say that, throw Uber into that category as well. For sure, if you're going to go, like where we're at right now. We're outside of the Dallas-Fort Worth area. Let's say we wanted to go explore or go to dinner or something in downtown Fort Worth. I don't love the idea of digging my dually into a downtown of any kind. Fort Worth is literally the only one. I will actually do it willingly, but even then I don't love it.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and we're more familiar with it. There's comfort with that.
Speaker 1:I'll be honest, fort Worth was built with the idea of big trucks, so there's parking spots that fit us Downtown Dallas not so much.
Speaker 2:Anakista not so much.
Speaker 1:Anakista, that's a big old. No, Key West, I'm guessing, is the same thing. So when you add public transport in it, if you can get down to Fort Worth itself, and then there's in Fort Worth at least, there's trains, there's buses, you can rent the little scooters now and that kind of stuff where you just download the app and you pay something, you go dunk and then you can take off to the mile and then leave it wherever you're supposed to leave it.
Speaker 1:But yeah, there's a ton of different things you can do in that front. And if you happen to be visiting an area like I know, there's some camping right outside of downtown Chicago Illinois that's on a train route so you could actually take they call it the L train up there. You could take the L train in the downtown, do whatever you want to do, bring it back out and there you go.
Speaker 2:Right, and one of my favorite things that we've actually done before was when we were in San Francisco riding the trolleys around, oh yeah. And so there are really some fun public transportation options and that you do want to experience, and so I think you should still take advantage of those you know, whenever those things arise. But these are just other options for some of your day to day, or when those aren't a valid option, like at Camp Femfo out in New Braunfels. No, there was not a whole lot of public transportation.
Speaker 1:Well, and I'll be honest, that's one of those where it's New Braunfels. So you might run into like go to Schlitterbahn or something like that, but those are typically things because you're going to be there all day, you would drive a vehicle in for.
Speaker 2:Exactly.
Speaker 1:Now the campground itself, like where we were the last time. It's been almost two years since we were there, but like we were in not the very back, but pretty dang close to the very back, yeah, and then just getting up to the front like you had to take your truck or rent a golf cart, or have a golf cart or have a mode of transportation.
Speaker 1:We had to take our truck or have a golf cart or have a mode of transportation. We had to take our truck. Even I didn't want to walk that, no, I think it was like a two and a half mile walk.
Speaker 2:one way Was it Two, two and a half from our campsite, I don't remember. Yeah.
Speaker 1:Because I remember talking about that one of the last mornings. Well, and the amount you go back and forth too. Right, we were there for a switch it up puddle, so up there for a few hours, you go back to clean up for a dinner thing, you go back to up there, and so it's a constant back and forth, which is fine, except for the fact that you're in the driver's truck and if it gets too crowded, now you're parking far away. Now you're still walking a quarter mile in.
Speaker 2:And I'm going to use that to say think about how many people were at that huddle, right? I mean hundreds of us were at that huddle. If everybody had taken their truck down for dinner, the parking lot wasn't big enough. And so thank goodness some of these people had their own golf carts or e-bikes or something Otherwise. There actually wouldn't have been enough room.
Speaker 1:The campground did rent golf carts too, so a lot of people did that and there's nothing wrong with that when you're talking about cost versus effectiveness here. If you are going to use it for campground stuff and you go to these bigger campgrounds Camp Femfo, at least in the Hill Country, their version, fort Wilderness, camp Margarita, most Camp Margaritaville, especially the one in the big one in Auburndale they have golf cart rentals. So if you don't like, if you're just going to go to those types of places, it might actually be more effect, more cost effective to just rent.
Speaker 1:For some people, yeah Well yeah, if you're going to like, if you're going to go to Disney's Fort Willis three times a year at your only RV trip, you can rent there. You can get off-site rentals that come in that kind of stuff. So just when you're looking into transportation stuff, it can be one of those situations where sometimes renting is actually the best option because of the cost of it.
Speaker 2:That's the first time we brought that up. Good point.
Speaker 1:Bingo. In addition to public transit, we are leaving off a couple of I call them low-lying transportation options. Oh yeah, mainly because I'm pretty sure I would die on them, the OneWheel.
Speaker 2:Oh, the OneWheel. That was one of those that I think we saw people use and both of us went nope, nope, nope, Todd again.
Speaker 1:Notice how a lot of this stuff comes back to Todd.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:I literally watched him in. Like you remember the movie um the mighty ducks when they're rollerblading rollerblading when they're rollerblading through the mall and they have, like, the helmet, the wrist guard, the elbow guard and all that, and you're like that doesn't look good, it looks bad. That's what Todd looked like. No offense, buddy, but you had every safety.
Speaker 2:No, they're um, admit your weaknesses in life, and for me that that's just not going to be one of those things I'm good at. So we just, and again how do you lock it up?
Speaker 1:I think that that's one of those things, that it's very situational on a lot of places. I think you just take that with you. It's so small because they even make and it's not on our little sheet, so sorry, um, but they make like skateboards that have motors on them. Right there's a YouTuber named Casey Neistat.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:Really, really popular YouTuber and he used to ride those all around New York City previously. And I think they even make like backpacks. You can carry them in and some different things. So those are small enough that you start to open up a little bit of a different realm, that you can just carry them with you in the places.
Speaker 2:I'd kind of like to know that if we went somewhere and had like evening adult beverages with friends or something that we could safely not fall off, the mode of transportation getting back home and we're back to uber just just uber in those scenarios I'm just saying on the day-to-day, the one wheel and I would not get along. So we're not gonna.
Speaker 1:We're not gonna test sober lauren couldn't do the one wheel I feel like I could probably get it down after some time, but at the same time too, like I don't know how much time I want to invest into learning how to ride something that'll just eventually kill me.
Speaker 2:And our health insurance ain't that great, so let's not test those waters.
Speaker 1:So there's the other, not so small Easter egg in the room that I still want. Hold on Holding.
Speaker 2:While we were talking about skateboards one wheels oh, rollerblades yes rollerblades were on the list of consideration. You've got to know. We actually did talk about rollerblades both of us have hang on.
Speaker 1:Someone talked about rollerblades.
Speaker 2:Someone just listened and nodded yes, we have both skated and rollerbladed and we both very quickly agreed rollerblades were not a valid option. 90s kids yeah, like it's just a stock and standard.
Speaker 1:It's like 70s kids and and like not like regular roller skates, right, like think roller derby, four wheels in four corners, kind of a thing. In the 90s that was rollerblades. Most people that listen and watch our stuff are our age or not, or above, so hopefully you know what we're talking about. I don't know that. Amy knows what a roller blade is. It's her little sister.
Speaker 2:She does Does she. I know she's skated before, but anyways.
Speaker 1:So yeah, you can roller blade. You could also try an ice skate there.
Speaker 2:You can.
Speaker 1:It's one of those. Why would you do that? It's in the ballpark of one wheel for me same.
Speaker 2:And then again, what do you do with them? You gotta take them off. You can't wear them inside places now you don't have shoes.
Speaker 1:What are you doing? Just complex, unnecessary the one that I still very much so want spoiler alert he wants a cricket. I'm fine with a little bug cricket, we'll do that. So golf cart. What she's referring to in a cricket is If a clown car to a Well like, if you compared a regular car to a clown car, a cricket is that? So a golf cart to a clown car? I'm messing that up beyond all belief.
Speaker 2:Yeah, you are Uh-huh.
Speaker 1:A cricket to a golf cart is like a clown car to a regular car.
Speaker 2:Do you ever see, honey I Shrunk the Kids? It's like what would happen if Honey I Shrunk the Golf Cart.
Speaker 1:To half size, in other words, if you measured the size of my rear end. That's about how wide this thing is, and she thinks we can both fit on it.
Speaker 2:No, I said we could get two.
Speaker 1:At that point, buy a regular sized one.
Speaker 2:But then we could race them at that point buy a regular-sized one, but then we could race them.
Speaker 1:I don't want to race them, mine's going to go slower. That's how I got eliminated for RV Unplugged. Thanks for bringing it up.
Speaker 2:But legitimately, we also did want something that we could have two of, in case we weren't going to the same place at the same time. No, we didn't.
Speaker 1:Yes we did. Take the golf cart. Take the golf cart, take the e-bike and what You're going to walk. No, I'm just not going to go Exactly. So here's the thing with a golf cart, I'll use a Fort Wilderness example. Now, you can't use e-bikes at Fort Wilderness, and so it would come in handy there. So when we go to horse shows and this is the portion that you get, but you don't completely get because you don't do it I don't stay down where Lauren is, because when you're at a horse show, you're there most of the day.
Speaker 2:Right.
Speaker 1:You go down early. You typically come back for lunch, get off your feet for a little bit and you'll swing by the rig, but you're down there a lot. I, as you guys know, film and shoot and I take pictures, and so when I roll down there like it's literally just me standing somewhere for two hours waiting for something to happen, I'm not doing anything Most times.
Speaker 2:Can we tie this back to a golf cart?
Speaker 1:I can use it as a spot to sit.
Speaker 1:There we go Well, but I and like with the camera gear and all that, like even at this Tyler show, my camera gear is not light and if you've ever seen us filming in public, you know we film most things on a Sony a7 IV with a mic on top and there's some weight to it. I carry a tripod with me. We have B cams that come with us. I have a backpack that weighs about 25 pounds. On a normal day when I travel it goes up to about 35 because of my computer and I have to ride my bike with that down there, so I get extra sweaty. It's one of those situations. Plus, yes, you can move some hay, but you can move a lot of hay with that.
Speaker 2:And what happens when I take the golf cart down to the barn in the morning with the hay on it.
Speaker 1:I come down with you and bring it back.
Speaker 2:And then I have to walk to and from the arena all day.
Speaker 1:No, I can get you. It's like an Uber service.
Speaker 2:Y'all do you see? We talked about this for years.
Speaker 1:So I do think the other side of that too is when you do go to other campgrounds and I am saying, like the femfos, the fort wildernesses and all that of the world, they are handy to have they are. I don't disagree with that because then, and I think too, for me it's also a, it's something else to kind of go do and have fun with. Like we can go on bike rides but we can't talk on those bike rides.
Speaker 2:For the most part, some of us have coordination problems and so talking whilst riding I still think you should have compromised and gotten two little golf carts, and then we could solve the world's problems but this, but this, and this is why I don't like that idea.
Speaker 1:It's the exact same problem of now. We're not together.
Speaker 2:No, now you get a seat. That was what you wanted was a seat.
Speaker 1:Okay. So in doing that, like being able to turn a stereo on and at Fort Willard they call it looping and go look at stuff and just drive around and kind of enjoy the night, the dogs could kind of go on it if we could train them to sit. Still, that has not gone well, that has not gone well. We have tried that, yeah, but they could hypothetically go down, so like if it was one of those scenarios where I could take the dogs and we had a way of them both being in the golf cart without running away, without me having to like and drive it aren't you dreaming big?
Speaker 1:well, I'm just saying, like, they make harnesses and stuff that you can clip them to that kind of stuff, and so you haven't seen those, have you? Oh yeah, they make dog harnesses for golf carts.
Speaker 2:Oh, I have this mental image of both of our dogs in a dog harness and Mishka is attacking it and she will win.
Speaker 1:And then poor Bailey is just frightened and melting and like dragging. I mean first episode. Yeah, that could happen, but again, it's just one of those things that offers another level of versatility.
Speaker 2:It does.
Speaker 1:And so now, with that being said too, I do feel like I don't want to tote a golf cart all across the country, because there's some scenarios where we do not need it.
Speaker 2:Right, and that was something else that we did talk about was okay. Well, once you get somewhere, we always have to take it out of the toy hauler space, no matter what if we want to use back there yes, it is the biggest, it's the most cumbersome and it was the most expensive option. So, though, legitimately, I know we're giving each other a hard time um, and we do.
Speaker 1:We do see pretty eye to eye on it, yeah no, we do and I think you agree at some point. We would like to have a golf card right, assuming we still have a toy hauler. No spoilers there. That is not happening anytime soon. But yeah, I mean, at some point we'll probably end up in another RV.
Speaker 1:I mean after five to eight or ten years. At some point we'll want to upgrade, and so if that's still a toy hauler and we haven't done it yet, we'll still talk about it. But I do think at some point for us in the future I think the other side of that for us is we need to be able to leave it somewhere.
Speaker 1:We do when we're not there, and so, whether that's a friend's house, a storage unit, something, and to be honest, that's a lot of money I don't want to spend at the moment, not just on the golf cart, but all the other stuff too. And then you do have the added of. You typically will need some form of insurance with the golf cart, like a liability thing A lot of campgrounds will require that, minutia.
Speaker 1:But yeah so. But golf carts definitely on the list. There's some that have like really cool lights and stereos and they just look fun and we can make them purple.
Speaker 2:Now you understand why the accountant had to say budget says no.
Speaker 1:Please visit the electric link. We need money and any other link. You need stuff for your RV, go get it, buy a t-shirt, join the membership so I can get a golf cart. That's joking.
Speaker 2:Oh wow. I would just like to pay the bills. I don't think the sympathy train is pulling in there.
Speaker 1:dear Nope, in fact, I'm pretty sure it just left. So, is there anything else you can think of from alternate modes of transportation wherever we are?
Speaker 2:Nothing reasonable and I know nothing reasonable and I know the joke will probably be had, lauren couldn't you just ride to horses?
Speaker 1:no, the short answer is no. I tried to put a horse in the toy hauler space. He told me no. Okay, let me repeat, she didn't actually try. She did find, when we were looking for our first rv, a modification unit that fit in the back of a toy hauler for horses. Correct. Which to me is not only a no, that's a hard, not a chance ever. Bleepity-beep, bleep-bleep, no.
Speaker 2:He says that's where his office is and he doesn't want to smell horse poo. So we're going to be respectful of that and we do not triple tow. So we won't be triple towing the horse trailer behind the RV. Thank you so no, the horses are not going and we cannot ride them there.
Speaker 1:No, we can't because, let's be honest, stella would bucket the first thing. That was weird.
Speaker 2:I think we have a better chance of the dogs pulling a sled than we do of that happening, which is not out of the realm of possibility.
Speaker 1:It should be.
Speaker 2:But talk about training. We're going to need some of that.
Speaker 1:Hey, bailey. Okay, we told you we were going to Alaska. We didn't tell you why. I don't think our lab would do real well, like she barely gets up now for anything. So I just said her name she's at Lauren's feet and she didn't budge.
Speaker 2:Nope, mishka looked at me, it's nap time.
Speaker 1:It is nap time, so hopefully you got something from this.
Speaker 2:At least entertainment yeah.
Speaker 1:Other than the fact that Lauren and I like to give each other crap every day.
Speaker 1:Um, if you have questions about our electric bikes or any other modes of transportation, I do have a lot of history with golf carts. True, being a former golf pro, I've purchased quite a few of them in my day. I think I'm somewhere in the vicinity of about 1300 at the moment, and that's over like a decade of working in golf. Um, just know that we buy a lot at one time. So if you have questions, feel free to ask. We also kind of know some of the legality of some of these other things looking into it, so feel free to reach out.
Speaker 1:If you're watching this on youtube, you can leave that in a comment down below. Again, if you are listening to this, or even if you're watching it, do us a favor. If you're watching it, go find it on the podcast platform and and give us a follow over there, and then rate and review us. Itunes seems to be our most popular one at the moment. Spotify is not far behind it at second place, and then everybody else below it. So if you're on one of those two, thank you very, very much, and I guess that's going to do it for us this week.
Speaker 2:All right.
Speaker 1:So we will see you guys next week, thank you.
